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On the head of this pin dances lots of angels

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Retired Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens gave a speech at the University of Arkansas and his main theme was the Citizens United case. He recalled the famous scene where the President, addressing a joint session of Congress, opined that the Citizens decision would open the gates to foreign corporations spending money in U.S. elections and Justice Alito mouthing the words, "not true. Well, turns out that the Justices are now confronted with a case in which that very question will arise. Their biggest problem is one of simple logic. The original decision held that the First Amendment generally prohibited restrictions on speech based on the speaker's identity. Pretty straight forward. They now have to decide whether that broad ruling applies to those very foreign corporations that the President warned about. And if the Court rules that money from foreign owned companies can be restricted, that pretty much undermines their previous ruling that no restrictions can be applied based upon identity.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/30/politi...html?hpt=hp_t2

Stevens went on to explain how in the past Congress did impose reasonable spending limits based on the absolute truism that piles of money give the wealthy, be they individuals or corporations, a much louder voice than ordinary citizens. We're seeing that in practice right now. The right wing brought the suit that resulted in this decision. Their argument was based on the First Amendment, that money was "speech" and could not be restricted. Being a student of real, practical politics, not the middle school civics class version, I understood immediately that the suit was brought because the far right wing believes that they have corporate America on their side and, thus, a lot money, and they wanted to use it. This was simply their means to get to.

I recently posted a link showing that Romney is leading Obama by a long way in Wall Street fund raising. Ant responded with something about McCain and never addressed the current situation. If Romney wins, we will be witnessing a presidential election being bought by corporate America, and they will expect to be paid back. It isn't hard to see what that will mean for ordinary Americans.

Below is a link to a Ben Sargent cartoon showing Lady Liberty lying dead in the street. Over her stand two detectives with one saying, "Yep, appears to have been beaten to death with a checkbook." We are watching the beating right now.

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  1. oldsquid's Avatar
    Oops, forgot the Ben Sargent link:

    http://carapace.weblogs.us/archives/15192
  2. baikal's Avatar
    Alito is a polyp.
  3. Antonious's Avatar
    McCain? You aren't that dull are you? You know why I brought up McCain. He went by 'the rules' and ran with public money which was a Democrat reform. Obama told us he wasn't going to use public money and ignored the Democrat campaign reform because he was getting soooo much special interest money. Obama outspent McCain by a whole bunch. Corruption won on that one...so not sure what you are whining about now. Obama opened the door. He bragged about raising more than a billion this election season. Shouldn't you be whining about the actual person who opened up the presidency to the highest bidder....thank you Obama. So much for Democrat reform. Like all good Dems they ignor reform when it is in their interest. Republicans do the same by pointing at Obama and his abuse of the system. You should put the blame where it belongs.
  4. oldsquid's Avatar
    I already did. As usual, it went rocketing past you.
  5. Antonious's Avatar
    In otherwords what you are saying it was okay for the Dems to ignor the rules, which I would expect from an Obama fan. As long as they collected more money by operating outside the rules then it was alright. Now that both parties are operating under the same rules all we hear is Dems whining. The politicos are going to spend a couple billion on the 5% of the folks who don't know who they are going to vote for. As I have said several times regardless of how much the rich left or right spend it won't change people's minds that are already made up and that's about 95% of us.
  6. Grillz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by baikal
    Alito is a polyp.
    I thought he was a canker set up by child rape.
  7. Antonious's Avatar
    "Judge tells John Edwards jury to keep deliberating after they reach verdict in 1 of 6 counts".....this news is just out, sounds like the jury is having a hard time.
  8. oldsquid's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Antonious
    "Judge tells John Edwards jury to keep deliberating after they reach verdict in 1 of 6 counts".....this news is just out, sounds like the jury is having a hard time.

    Yep, and these are just citizens, not a lawyer in the room with them. Wasn't it supposed to be easy without the lawyers screwing it up and complicating things? I suspect that these folks are deeper thinkers than Ant. Ya spose?
  9. oldsquid's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Antonious
    In otherwords what you are saying it was okay for the Dems to ignor the rules, which I would expect from an Obama fan. As long as they collected more money by operating outside the rules then it was alright. Now that both parties are operating under the same rules all we hear is Dems whining. The politicos are going to spend a couple billion on the 5% of the folks who don't know who they are going to vote for. As I have said several times regardless of how much the rich left or right spend it won't change people's minds that are already made up and that's about 95% of us.
    No, that isn't what I'm saying. One more time for you with the short attention span. It really matters not, to the 1%, who gets elected. About the only difference between the two parties is that the Dems do at least make an effort to care for the poor, the old, and the sick. The Reps make no bones about throwing them to the wolves. If less is going to support the old, the poor, and the sick, that leaves more for Wall Street. And they do know which side of their bread is buttered, even if Ant can't figure it out.

    The hard right wing wanted that decision in Citizens because they believe, correctly, that corporate America is with them. In fact, like most everything else, corporate America owns them. So the hard right wing needed some way to tap into that vast amount of money, and they found it, via this SC decision. You probably it really think it had to do with free speech. Silly boy.

    I'm not whining. You are the one who is and has been whining, until it hurts my ears. You are the one who continues to whine about Obama's "$1 billion boast," which now it turns out will be on the low end. Funny that you who complains about such things failed to mention that. And when I do, you whine some more.
  10. Antonious's Avatar
    Why are you babbling again...as I said cut and paste. I tired of your same old tirades so I posted about the elections yesterday and how saner heads won....and you said nothing. In fact you stopped posting. Kind of like a real discussion about some issue stunned you. Now you are back to the only issue you feel adequate to discuss, but we are all tired of your complaint. Live with the rule, Obama said big money was okay so the issue is mute. At least until Obama leaves office, then the Dems will again be for reform.
  11. oldsquid's Avatar
    "Now you are back to the only issue you feel adequate to discuss,..."

    And that I'm right about, and that's what pisses you off.

    Saner heads prevailed yesterday????????

    Ant, in case it escaped your attention, in elections outside of Travis County, people who are even more bat shit crazy were beating those who were only marginally bat shit crazy. The next legislature may well be even more nuts than the last. Are those the saner fucking heads you claim prevailed? What the fuck is wrong with you? I was stunned alright, stunned that my country has been taken over by lunatics, defended right here in these blogs by other lunatics (that's you, Ant.).

    I made a specific point, that a Romney election will be nothing short of a fucking disaster for ordinary Americans. And you sit, probably because you find it so pleasant, with your thumb up your ass.
  12. Antonious's Avatar
    I was pretty clear about what elections I was talking about....I need to realize I have to talk at a third grade level so you can keep up though. Your response is exactly what we would expect from you....trying to change the subject to statewide results and I bet you didn't even check any election results, just cut and pasted your usual reply. Unlike you I did post about the Democrat congressman from Texas, who was endorsed by Obama and Bill Clinton, but lost to a more radical Democrat. I hate dealing with your fantasies when we have real results out there. We have proof of the Dems going batshit crazy and all you want to talk about is your fantasies about Republicans.
  13. oldsquid's Avatar
    "...all you want to talk about is your fantasies about Republicans."

    Oh, they aren't fantasies. They are the truths you desperately try to avoid.

    I already said, and which you conveniently overlooked, THAT I HAVE NO MORE USE FOR LEFT RADICALS THAN I DO FOR RIGHT RADICALS. But at the moment, the left radicals are not the immediate threat. Your extremist friends, on the other hand, are.

    I would think that a state legislature that promises to be even more bat shit crazy would concern everyone. I can see why you don't want to talk about them. They're your pals.

    I didn't ignore local results. In fact, I laughed my ass off at how your buddies squatted and grunted and groaned and perverted the redistricting process, and Doggett still won. Ant, you and your wingnut butt buddies would fuck up a wet dream.
  14. Antonious's Avatar
    See, you can't discuss the election issue, just reverted back to your ramblings. No links, no proof, no indication that you even read how any election result came out. By the way the Doggett result was only the Democrat primary. The Republican challenger, which shouldn't have a chance to win, is in November. Doggett usually wins with around 70% but last time barely survived an unknown opponent....one of those elections where the voters sent the Dem a message. Doggett of course tied his future to Pelosi when he supported her dictatorial ways while in the majority just so he could move up the Dem chain of command. Austin told him they didn't like that choice.
  15. oldsquid's Avatar
    LOLOLOLOLOL

    He's going back to the House despite the best efforts of your wingnut buddies. And Ant dances and prances and tries to justify failure. Just too funny.

    I know he has to win in November, moron, and he will. You guys tried mightily, and fucked it up.

    Ant, you cannot possibly ever understand. You cannot understand what pleasure I take when the holier than thou, sanctimonious bullshit artists that you claim are the sole repositories of "values" in this country, try so hard to eliminate someone, and fail fucking miserably. You couldn't possibly understand how that gladdens my heart. I don't have any great love for Doggett, but that your useless mouth foaming crowd failed to impose it's perverted will makes me very happy. Comment all you want. I already know that you will never understand.
  16. Antonious's Avatar
    I think you missed the point. The Repubs split Austin into five districts. If we were divided into two or three districts then Austin liberals would have much more influence but being split into five pieces leaves them influencing only one Rep, Doggett. Kind of funny to see you foam at the mouth just because you don't understand redistricting....and the power of the majority.
  17. Grillz's Avatar
    I made it to the pol station with one minute to spare to vote for Doggett.
  18. Antonious's Avatar
    Who did you vote for in the sheriff and DA race?
  19. oldsquid's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Antonious
    I think you missed the point. The Repubs split Austin into five districts. If we were divided into two or three districts then Austin liberals would have much more influence but being split into five pieces leaves them influencing only one Rep, Doggett. Kind of funny to see you foam at the mouth just because you don't understand redistricting....and the power of the majority.

    LOLOLOL

    Oh, no, Ant, it's you who doesn't understand, like I said you wouldn't. When the rabid dog pack, for that accurately describes your pals, is at the door, you take what wins you can.

    It's like this, with us being the diver:

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...4Q9QEwBQ&dur=0

    You'll probably think the shark represents the good guys.
  20. Antonious's Avatar
    Rabid dog pack? As I said, if you don't have the knowledge to discuss the topic we are talking about just say you don't know. Why make yourself look silly day after day?
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